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40 feet long no windows no no real wings

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Hello everybody welcome back to

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disclosure team I'm Vinnie Adams I think

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I just took 10 days off from this

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channel which is the longest uh since I

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started it but um I spent a week away

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with my family recharged feeling

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refreshed ready to go so uh yeah thank

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you guys for being here

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um just quickly before I bring on my

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guest I just want to quickly talk about

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some fundraising that I'm doing uh once

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or twice a year I like to sort of do

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something

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um across my platforms for various

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Charities so I'm just going to bring

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this up bear with me

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I'm actually going to be raising money

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for movember so I'm actually going to be

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growing a mustache for a month which I'm

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not very good at but I'm going to be

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donating to them

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um because it it helps with men's mental

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health Men's Health in general Suicide

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Prevention testicular cancer prostate

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cancer this is something that's close to

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my heart I've lost friends to Suicide

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unfortunately so I know times are tough

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and no one is obliged to do this but if

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you have a few pennies lying around or

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you want to make a donation the link is

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in the description below it is a good

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charity the money goes directly to them

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I don't see it so yeah I just wanted to

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do something positive

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um with my platform so

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that's that let's not waste any more

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um I want to welcome uh a repeat guest

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uh to this channel somebody who I've got

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a lot of respect for and I can't wait

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for this conversation so please welcome

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Victor vigiani Victor how you doing just

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fine thank you Vinnie and it's great to

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be with you and hello all of your

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listeners and thank you so much

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so Victor I've got a lot I want to talk

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to you about and I think obviously the

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best thing to do is start with with

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Canada

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um over the last year they've obviously

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been a bit more in the public eye when

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it comes to UFOs and UAP so

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what where is where where are we at with

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Canada at the moment you know it seemed

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like there was some momentum happening

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but it seems to have gone quiet well

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yeah it's um it's kind of unique because

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uh as I've done on some of my press

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releases and the blog at

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zoolandcommunications.com I have

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attempted to outline in the past now

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uh archives on on the UFO phenomena

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and it goes back to about 2010 when I

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just completely by accident Vinnie I was

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searching around at the library and

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Archives Canada and I didn't know

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exactly what I was looking for although

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and Archives Canada which is sort of a

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of all kinds of documents of every kind

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from the RCMP the Royal Canadian amount

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of police Transport Canada the defense

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department you can go and look at any

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type of ministerial documents that they

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were exchanging they all have them on on

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a file basis you know file by file by

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there was nine thousand five hundred of

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these things and uh just specifically on

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UFOs and I went oh my goodness

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1975 and I had never heard of of library

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and Archives Canada let alone they had

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these things and I just couldn't believe

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my eyes and they were segmented in in

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Canadian amount of police all to do with

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UFOs in one way or another and then

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those domains has uh had a upwards of

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um and you go and you page through them

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they're pretty dull and boring to be

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really pretty honest with you uh they're

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you know citing reports uh ministerial

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letters that mention stuff Here There

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and Everywhere nothing of any real

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significance it's like you know reading

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the telephone book you go through it

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yeah fine thank you yeah for anything

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and it's just you get bored to death

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and uh I took as much time as I could to

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get through a boat I don't know I'm

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guessing uh Vinnie probably 3 500 to 4

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000 of these things okay and that's

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sitting late at night you know click

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click click and eventually you get to

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see where the hot spots were

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and where the the more mundane stuff was

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files along the way particularly from

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the defense department and also from

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Transport Canada and in addition the

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RCMP believe it or not the Royal

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Canadian Mounted Police uh which I'm not

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sure in the UK If there is a counterpart

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official government police agency might

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be there I'm not quite sure what that

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might be but uh RCMP spans the entire

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country and they are an investigative

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group they're a police group uh they

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deal with drug enforcement and all kinds

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of other security issues so they're very

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comprehensive and very powerful

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organization here in Canada and uh that

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was one of the first ones that I looked

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at and from there I segmented

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25 to 30. that's out of 9 000 files that

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I could really find that were

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significant but 25 or 30 files they were

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absolutely shocking uh with respect to

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how Canada and all those four agencies

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that I mentioned were were involved in

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sequestering or at least exchanging

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information about UFOs beginning in 19th

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the late 80s and early 90s and it was

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really significant because one of the

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documents that I found which really kind

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of blew me over and I'm sort of

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reviewing it again now was an RCMP

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document and the the name of the

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document was UFO found or found UFO in

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Northern Saskatchewan uh Saskatchewan is

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one of the 10 provinces here in in

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Canada and I read through it and I mean

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you it was U dot f dot o found Northern

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Saskatchewan reading through it and it

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eventually uh very short memo one page

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a lover or a minor had found to come

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across something on the outskirts of a

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lake in Northern Saskatchewan of pieces

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of uh of the of something and he

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reported it to the RCMP they took it

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away these pieces and then eventually

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they sent it to their for whatever

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the only venue they had at the time but

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it was the the criminal investigation

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unit of the RCMP and they had it

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analyzed and I'm going through the

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analysis right now they're and they're

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stuff and it looks like a a waffle iron

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that the surface of it it was segmented

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uh sections on it and the analysis was

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that uh the final word on the analysis

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was it was not a missile it was not a

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satellite it was nothing that they had

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ever seen before and the chemical

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composition was of high-grade titanium

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and all kinds of other components in it

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and I'm going to be releasing this very

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soon uh to one of the journalists here

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in Canada CTV so that's something that's

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uh that's really uh in in the wings for

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me with respect to first of all finding

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something like that that's a kind of

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kind of fortuitous and big news and

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second of all it happened uh in the in

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the um 1960s 66 67 and it was never

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never heard it and all the radio shows

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that I did all the experts that I spoke

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with in Canada no one had heard of this

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particular uh event so um in looking at

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the um the the spectral analysis of it

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in the chemical analysis I think there's

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something there that first of all needs

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to be brought out into the public

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um that's number one and second of all

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why the hell has this not uh been a

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topic of conversation in Canada you know

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for over you know 65 or 70 years why was

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this document sitting there for that

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long with no one discovering until I you

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know click the button and got into uh uh

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1372 whatever it was and all of a sudden

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you see this document UFO found in

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Saskatchewan and it really perplexed me

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Vinnie because it really kind of

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indicated to me in addition to all of

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um uh documents that I read about and

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saw online in The Archives

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analyzing not analyzing that's not the

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good word Catholic vlogging so better

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where a cataloging information both from

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Ministers of Defense from acting

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directorates in the joint intelligence

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committees and other agencies within

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Canada about UFOs well they call them

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flying saucers back then

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most of the most of the the documents

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really use that term flying sauces and

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then eventually uh towards the middle to

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late 60s they got into the term UFO so

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but it doesn't really matter the fact

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the matter is that they were cataloging

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the stuff and exchanging a huge amount

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of information and since then I've been

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delving into it more and eventually I'm

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going to get to the point where I get

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this these 12 or 15 photographs and

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they're really excellent photographs of

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of this particular craft of Unknown

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Origin we'll call that right now and it

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may turn out to be nothing but the fact

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of the matter is that the RCMP called it

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a UFO and they sent it to their criminal

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investigations you know to be analyzed

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there's something there and I think that

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it's something that the Canadian public

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needs to know about and it it'll

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probably segue into um

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into our discussion Vinnie uh regarding

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the the uh the Canadian uh members of

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parliament that are looking into this

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they don't know anything about this yet

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I haven't I haven't dropped that in

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their lap yet although I've been in

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communication with their offices I

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haven't mentioned this particular uh

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file to them and it just do other things

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too this is just one of the other ones

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that's I think very very significant it

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sounds I mean with all the talk in the

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last year or a few years even with crash

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retrieval programs in the United States

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and and things like that to find a

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document that is a found UFO in his and

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I had analysis done kind of almost could

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fit into that category so that's that

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could be exceptionally huge news so I

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look forward to seeing what happens yeah

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well all the discussion I think it was a

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Chris melon I believe it was who brought

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up the that meta materials

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um

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uh component or aspect of these but the

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composition of the of these uh UAP are

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and and The Meta materials being things

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that um are I guess materials that we

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just either don't have on on the planet

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or their the combinations of of elements

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that we just don't have access to or I

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guess the big thing is we have been

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unable to reproduce uh and combine the

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elements that Chris Miller was talking

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about with respect to the meta materials

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we haven't been able to kind of put them

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together in the way that they're being

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found in some of these crash sites so

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this very well may be something of

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significance and even if it's not

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um the fact that the RCMP a considered

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it to be a an object worth its

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investigation and that it was hidden

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that it was hidden that's the whole the

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key here for me whatever it turns out to

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be one way or another uh the fact of the

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matter is it was it was hidden and in

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addition to all of the other files that

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I had the the one really

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actually I found it before the the the

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crash site material I found a UFO file

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written by the director The Joint

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intelligence director at the time and it

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outlined um it was called flying saucers

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and it outlined the position they talked

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a little bit about it and what flying

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sauces might be you know it could be

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nothing as definitive as what we're

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getting at today but um just to kind of

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indicate what the role of Canada was at

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the very last paragraph in paragraph two

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of the whole memo

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um it states that uh that Canada I'm

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paraphrasing here now that Canada would

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follow the lead of the United States and

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playing down UFOs at all costs don't

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make don't make a big deal out of this

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guys so that uh this directorate the

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person who's in charge of the director

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that we will follow the lead of the

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United States in playing down the UFO

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issue we're just not going to bring it

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up in press conferences we're not going

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to set up memos about it we're just

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going to play the the whole issue down

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and that was I believe

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um in 1952

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so if there's any kind of history with

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the Canadian government since 1952 their

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modus operandi Vinny was that they have

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been involved in playing down this issue

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for um for well over 60 65 years which

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is quite indicative of how Canada and a

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lot of countries a lot of question

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countries in the west have followed the

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lead of the United States in developing

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modes of secrecy that have kept this

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thing under wraps for well over 75 years

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you know collectively in um in in Europe

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and and in North America so

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Canada follow the lead and it's still

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doing it to a large degree but I think

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it uh it's kind of indicative of where

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we might want to go as you said earlier

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with a conversation with respect to the

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members of parliament because there is a

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link there and they're interested in

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this and once I drop this in their lap

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I'm hoping uh the MPS lap rather that

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they can say one of two things ah this

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is important in B

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why don't we know about this why has

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Canada been so secretive about this with

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these 9500 files yeah it does ring true

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with some of the five eyes countries as

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well with the times of the 50s and the

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60s it happened here in the UK as well

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so it you know it it's just ringing

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alarm bells in I had the similarities

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um now one document that I'd like to

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bring up and show is these talking

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points that were prepared for the

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Canadian transport Minister Omar algebra

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algebra in uh back in May of this year

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in case questions were asked in

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Parliament right and and there's even a

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heading on there that says if pressed

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um so yeah I just wanted to bring this

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up and yeah this is

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uh yeah interesting here we go

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there's there's a bit of a history

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behind this

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um your your viewers need to know that

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um one of the uh

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the press releases that I sent out uh I

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guess it was back in May uh about the

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Canadian television network CTV and

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um uh journalist there named Daniel Otis

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yes yeah okay and he's he and I have had

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conversations and exchanged emails for a

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couple of months now and uh he somehow

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either through his own resources or

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whatever uh found out that A Member of

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Parliament Larry McGuire from Manitoba

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another one of our provinces

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um was in a committee meeting and he's

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the vice chair of one of the Committees

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uh a standing committee uh in in the

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Canadian Parliament and he was asking

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one of the ministers the deputy Minister

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John Hannaford if he was aware of or

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knew about or had any information about

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this whole Director of National

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Intelligence stuff was going on so the

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border and you know the Pentagon

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releases that they've been going through

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and and people like Luis Elizondo and if

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he he actually directly asked this

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Deputy Minister if he knew anything

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about this and the minister went sort of

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uh no I just had no idea what was going

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on it was all and you could tell it

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wasn't the kind of look in his eyes

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um that he was hiding something was like

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you know like a deer with a caught in

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the headlights of a car you know that

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kind of thing no you've caught me off

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guard I have no idea what you're talking

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about

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and uh so from that point of view that

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Deputy Minister we all took it upon

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ourselves to conclude that he was

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completely out of the loop and that

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meant that he and his the actual

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Minister were out of the loop with

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respect to what was going on South of

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the Border now take that with a grain of

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salt I don't know if they've been ran

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into this at all or if there was any

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kind of indication that there'd been

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communication between

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uh the Pentagon or the defense

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department United States with our

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defense department we have no idea if

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that actually happened however down the

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road we found out that a previous

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defense minister

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um he was in fact briefed

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about three to four weeks before the

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Director of National Intelligence report

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came out from Avril um Avril Haynes in

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the United States so he did receive a

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briefing and this is something that

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Daniel Otis found out about uh and and

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he published he published an article on

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it in fact that the defense our defense

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minister was in fact

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um you know briefed on this issue which

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didn't come full circle to these other

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committees that the lyric Larry McGuire

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was part of so it so what happened after

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that is uh that not only Larry McGuire

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but three other members of parliament uh

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a young lady named Rachel denkow

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d-a-n-c-h-o and also Matthew Green from

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Hamilton Ontario and another

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um MP who was a defense critic at the

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time uh her name was Carrie Lynn Finley

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these four MPS got wind of all of this

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stuff and they started asking questions

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too but in in committee and Daniel

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covered all of this okay so it's it's

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kind of pointing towards this whole

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business of well we've got these four

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MPS uh chomping at the bit asking

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ministers questions so what what I think

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happened after that as Daniel reported

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on CTV both online uh and and some

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videos that he put out um with Larry

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McGuire that um

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the administrative transport for some

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reason not them of Defense not yet we're

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not there yet the minister of transport

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and as I mentioned earlier about the

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library and archive Canada the minister

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of the Ministry of Transport Department

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transport had a huge involvement so they

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they have a hill a large number of files

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so I suppose somebody got to the

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Ministry of Transport the fellas that

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you mentioned and said okay uh these

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these four pieces have got some

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information that we haven't been briefed

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on yet or at least publicly not

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acknowledging that we've been briefed uh

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yet and we'd better prepare ourselves

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for questions on the floor in during

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question period and our Parliament is

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run the same as the British model it's

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the whole idea of question period and a

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minister will will stand up and receive

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questions from the opposition

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etc etc so I think what they did was

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well we'd better get our act together

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and find out how we can put up a

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document the one you just you know put

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up there now in sort of and in advance

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or at least trying to preclude some

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answers to some of the questions that

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these MPS might ask as far as I know and

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as far as Daniel Otis knows none of

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these individuals have yet stood at in

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question period and erased any of these

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issues in Parliament yet they've raised

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them in committee

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but not uh but not in in on the floor of

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the House of Commons and that's really

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significant because the the minister the

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minister of transfer in an attempt to

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kind of short circuit or at least

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preempt or or get prepared for these

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questions put in into a codification as

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that document shows some of the answers

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that he thinks they might ask wishes for

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and I've read it and they're so far off

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base that uh

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um it's it's really clear that these

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these supposed answers Vinnie are how

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can I put this delicately

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um either a cover for the stuff that

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they think that that they may know okay

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or stuff that they do in fact know or

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trying to preempt some of the new stuff

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that these four members of parliament

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have and I did from me reading that

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document that you just put up the

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minister of transport and his whole

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staff as far as I'm concerned have no

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idea what's going on they're they're

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just guessing they're just yes it does

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seem like that boilerplate responses

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exactly exactly it was just cute let's

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throw this out and see if they asked

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that yeah so what I what I did is I I I

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emailed

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um Daniel and the and Larry McGuire

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um his office uh some questions that

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they might ask that could that went

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around they cut through some of the

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stuff that the Minnesota transport

550
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,940
actually uh was trying to say that you

551
00:22:33,169 --> 00:22:31,200
know you got to be careful here guys

552
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:33,179
because uh it's quite clear that they're

553
00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:34,980
either Faking It by putting up this like

554
00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:37,740
you say boilerplate information or

555
00:22:42,529 --> 00:22:38,580
um

556
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,539
or or they they uh or they're as

557
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:44,280
ignorant as these questions indicate

558
00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:46,980
that they really in fact are you know so

559
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,500
it's a it's a real um

560
00:22:53,870 --> 00:22:51,600
that's not convoluted really but it

561
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:53,880
really shows you the links to which some

562
00:22:56,990 --> 00:22:55,860
of these MPS want to go to really get

563
00:23:00,049 --> 00:22:57,000
the answers to some of these questions

564
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,059
about this whole phenomenon and uh it's

565
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:02,220
it's quite interesting absolutely I mean

566
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,960
Larry McGuire was asking questions I've

567
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:05,280
got this document here where he was

568
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:06,900
asking questions in September towards

569
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:10,500
the end so you know he's got

570
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:12,600
of our Embassy staff receiving briefings

571
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:14,340
from Jay Stratton former head of the UAB

572
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:16,740
task force on dates relating to the

573
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,260
Canadian Air Force briefings

574
00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:21,600
um with the UAP task force as well so

575
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:24,419
these I think they gave 45 days to

576
00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:27,480
respond which we can't be far off that

577
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,580
now so it's going to be interesting to

578
00:23:34,190 --> 00:23:31,679
see what comes from from that as well

579
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:34,200
but then I noticed also that um there's

580
00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:35,400
a couple of other people that you didn't

581
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:37,080
mention because conservative party

582
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:39,179
Deputy leader and transportation critic

583
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,860
Melissa lanceman

584
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:42,720
she put out a statement saying we

585
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:44,220
believe the government should adopt a

586
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:46,200
streamlined whole of government approach

587
00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:48,120
to standardize the collection of reports

588
00:23:52,090 --> 00:23:49,980
across numerous departments and

589
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,100
contractors which I found quite positive

590
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:54,900
yeah yeah that's interesting that that

591
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:58,559
you would do that and and I I suppose it

592
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,500
it really is kind of um it really

593
00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:03,840
demonstrates the the mindset of the

594
00:24:08,029 --> 00:24:06,059
government when they use the word

595
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,039
standardization

596
00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:11,760
and uh I I've I got that word

597
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:15,000
um from Peter McKay a former Minister of

598
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,580
Defense uh conservative Member of

599
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:19,320
Parliament and he was a minister of

600
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:22,440
defense at the time and I challenged him

601
00:24:29,270 --> 00:24:26,280
through many several emails uh about the

602
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,280
the NORAD documents that I had right um

603
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:31,440
and these NORAD documents indicated that

604
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:33,720
uh out of Comox Air Force Base in

605
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:35,159
Vancouver

606
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:39,179
um two CFA teams chased three UFOs or

607
00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:42,299
targets of Interest as they use them uh

608
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,179
across Canada at speeds uh incredible

609
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,480
speeds that outpace these cf-18s and uh

610
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,240
but they eventually caught up with with

611
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,039
one of them somehow I don't know how it

612
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:55,919
happened but the pilot did right after a

613
00:25:03,890 --> 00:24:58,880
medical evacuation jet saw these things

614
00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:03,900
out of um out of Alaska right and um

615
00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:06,659
they they the pilot saw this thing but

616
00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:08,700
couldn't catch up to it and I got the

617
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:12,419
entire six pages of the NORAD pilot 8

618
00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:14,760
Air Traffic Control report line by line

619
00:25:20,750 --> 00:25:17,820
where the Jets were literally second by

620
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,760
second and eventually at 35 000 feet the

621
00:25:26,269 --> 00:25:24,240
the cf-18 pilot indicates contact made

622
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:26,279
at 35 000 feet

623
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,500
and I challenge the minister as a

624
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:30,960
minister I want to find out hey do you

625
00:25:35,210 --> 00:25:32,940
know about this document B what does it

626
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,220
mean how often are just scrambled to do

627
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:36,960
this and

628
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,720
um he wrote me back a letter a very you

629
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,000
know very lengthy letter indicating and

630
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:44,400
he used the word standardization in

631
00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:46,500
order to pursue or maintain

632
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:48,440
standardization here are the following

633
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,140
findings of whatever and they use that

634
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:53,940
word as a

635
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:57,720
I guess uh a cleansing mechanism if I

636
00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:00,960
could put it you know to say well you

637
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:02,340
know um we really don't have anything

638
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:04,980
solid but uh we want to standardize our

639
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,559
response so that it doesn't put us in a

640
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,940
position we have to put our foot in the

641
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:11,279
mouth okay yeah so at the end of the

642
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:14,279
very document we have no he said we I we

643
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:16,679
cannot I cannot find any documents about

644
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:18,659
this incident okay that's the first

645
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,460
thing that he said

646
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:22,400
um and this is a minister of defense

647
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:26,100
saying to me a civilian and that they

648
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,960
found this Air Traffic Control directly

649
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,520
from NORAD

650
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:31,440
um that that he didn't know about this

651
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:35,220
this document a and then B he said um

652
00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:37,500
you know these jets are you know we we

653
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:39,059
don't know how many are scrambled we

654
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,679
have no records of them being scrambled

655
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,960
at all but it could have been

656
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,360
um you know a small craft without a

657
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:48,480
transponder okay and and being a former

658
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:50,820
pilot myself I know a small craft with

659
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:52,620
other trans you know without a

660
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,559
transponder off on does not fly at 35

661
00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:58,080
000 feet yeah it can outpace the cf-18s

662
00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:00,299
exactly and then we'll get this this is

663
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:02,460
that's that's nice and he said or it

664
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:04,740
could have been a flock of birds oh God

665
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:08,100
at 35 000 feet that fly faster than uh

666
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:10,980
cf-18 so and I wrote them back and as

667
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:13,320
politely as I could told him he was you

668
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:16,860
know full of hot air and uh and his his

669
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:19,980
um his uh I guess Associates in within

670
00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:21,539
his Department wrote me back you know

671
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:23,220
all kinds of denials and things that

672
00:27:26,289 --> 00:27:24,779
that they that the thing is they

673
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:26,299
couldn't find it and they try to

674
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:28,980
standardize the response so that they

675
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:30,179
say well let's just hope this guy

676
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,620
doesn't pursue this you know that's the

677
00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:32,880
kind of thing that's the way they

678
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:34,620
operate and I think that's what the

679
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,020
minister of Transport right now is doing

680
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:39,840
he's putting in place a pathway for them

681
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,260
to be able to go both ways on this to go

682
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:44,640
to the point where they're saying well

683
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:47,580
it could be this it could be that and

684
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:49,080
we're investigating it we could

685
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,760
investigate it but there is going to be

686
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:53,039
no mechanism for us actually putting

687
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:54,480
something into place like they have in

688
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,520
the United States with respect to what

689
00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:57,840
the Director of National Intelligence

690
00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:59,460
did or what the Pentagon did with their

691
00:28:04,669 --> 00:28:02,340
investigations so so far Canada is still

692
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:04,679
with its mouth shut and the following

693
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,360
the lead of of the United States and

694
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:08,400
keeping this thing quiet and uh I want

695
00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:09,900
to open it so that's that's where we're

696
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:11,880
at right now with that yeah but that's

697
00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:13,740
that's amazing I think it's an exciting

698
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,299
time and yeah I'm not surprised that

699
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:16,559
they're following in the U.S you know

700
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,419
we've got this supposed

701
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:20,640
report happening tomorrow for the

702
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:22,440
unclassified version the the classified

703
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:24,600
version May well be out there somewhere

704
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,179
in the intelligence Community but

705
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:30,000
any expectations any anything what do

706
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:31,860
you think we're gonna I'm gonna see yeah

707
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:35,039
I've been throwing around this for um a

708
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:36,900
couple of couple of weeks now with just

709
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,900
some people that uh uh that I know that

710
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:41,880
I wouldn't say that they are in the know

711
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,620
but a couple of people are indicating

712
00:28:47,149 --> 00:28:44,880
that

713
00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:47,159
um with each of these particular reports

714
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:48,539
any uh

715
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,520
it's interesting the way they've evolved

716
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:53,039
they evolve in a way that

717
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,760
um

718
00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:55,919
how can I put it there you're saying

719
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:57,659
they're just giving away a little bit of

720
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:59,159
sliver of information here a little

721
00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:01,620
sliver of information at there and you

722
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:02,580
know pushing things forward

723
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:04,620
significantly at some point and then

724
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,539
backing off a little bit you can see

725
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:08,100
whether where the these reports are

726
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:10,200
coming from and the first report that

727
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:13,919
April Haynes put out of the how many was

728
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:16,980
it it was 144 UF you know that's right

729
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:19,559
yeah reports or whatever and they they

730
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:21,240
explained most of them but not all of

731
00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:22,500
them you know two or three of them

732
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:24,120
remained unknown

733
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:26,760
um as back as 2004.

734
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:29,220
and as soon as I read that and everybody

735
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,039
within the UFO research Community said

736
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:34,980
you know since 2004 you've had this many

737
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:38,520
UFO reports or whatever UAP reports

738
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,679
would have hoped the previous 60 years

739
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:42,240
you know

740
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:44,940
so if they're only going back to 2004 to

741
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:47,460
report on that small pinhole of

742
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:48,659
information

743
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:51,299
I I'm not really hopeful that they're

744
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:53,220
going to open the pinhole up that much

745
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:54,659
more

746
00:30:00,769 --> 00:29:58,500
um they what they might do is and this

747
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,779
is my just I'm guessing now and the way

748
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:02,159
they talk about

749
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,059
um

750
00:30:07,930 --> 00:30:05,760
you know is it foreign adversaries is it

751
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:07,940
uh you know uh

752
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:10,200
weapons that that we're not aware of

753
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,520
within the the the US uh uh military all

754
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,039
those kinds of possibilities and then

755
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,440
there's always that other

756
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:21,960
which is the the the the ET question

757
00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:23,940
they're they're frightened to death

758
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,039
they're absolutely frightened to death

759
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:29,039
they use the E.T word they they're not

760
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:31,980
use it and as soon as they do any

761
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,200
um they're going to open a can of worms

762
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:35,760
that's going to crawl all over

763
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,320
everything that they've ever written I

764
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:39,840
mean it's gonna just it will it will

765
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:43,140
undo 75 years of secrecy if they use the

766
00:30:47,389 --> 00:30:45,240
ET word or off-world civilizations or

767
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:47,399
whatever whatever moniker they give they

768
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,980
might even come up with another term uh

769
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:52,559
uh that we haven't heard of before so

770
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,360
that's what I think we just might see

771
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,700
they're going to inch closer to saying

772
00:31:00,529 --> 00:30:59,039
we really don't know what this stuff is

773
00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:00,539
and we can't make any definitive

774
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:01,620
statement on it but we're going to

775
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:03,480
investigate further and I think myself

776
00:31:06,769 --> 00:31:05,640
that's that's where I think of myself

777
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,779
that's where they're going with this

778
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:09,360
with this next next report I I don't I

779
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:11,580
don't anticipate it to be a barnstorming

780
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:15,659
uh kind of uh wow a big event I really I

781
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:16,980
really don't

782
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,039
um it's time may come but I don't think

783
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,080
it's going to come uh this quickly and

784
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:24,419
the other thing here too is

785
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:26,340
um that the your viewers in the UK

786
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,440
should and everybody else it's in the

787
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,720
middle of or at least three or four days

788
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:32,700
maybe a week or so before the midterm

789
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:35,100
election of the United States sure and

790
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:38,100
that's got a factor into

791
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:38,700
um

792
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,620
how and why

793
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,720
they will or will not release anything

794
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:45,120
of any significance because if they do

795
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:47,100
come out with something of extraordinary

796
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:49,860
significance the president was going to

797
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:52,620
have to comment on if it's extraordinary

798
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,059
and if they use the e-word or something

799
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,399
that that alludes to it the president

800
00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:58,799
will have to comment on it

801
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:01,500
um and it's that close to the midterm

802
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:03,720
elections I just don't think that the

803
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:05,399
intelligence agencies in the United

804
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:08,279
States are willing to do something like

805
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:09,899
that at this particular point in time

806
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,520
they may do it towards the end of the

807
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:13,620
year or in January but I think it's

808
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:14,940
going to be just another

809
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:17,700
um you know in Canada we play a lot of

810
00:32:22,750 --> 00:32:21,000
hockey okay yeah sure when a hockey team

811
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,760
doesn't know what to do with the puck

812
00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:25,200
rather than advancing the puck they kick

813
00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:26,580
it back and they sort of skate around

814
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:27,960
their own Zone and maintain control

815
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,299
right and to wait for an opening or an

816
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,220
opportunity we call that we call that

817
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:35,039
ragging the puck okay okay and so that's

818
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,840
what I think that's what I think the

819
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:38,460
United States intelligence agency is

820
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:39,360
going to do they're going to rag the

821
00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:42,539
puck and and at no time will their hands

822
00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:44,220
leave their wrist and they'll just you

823
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,520
know maintain that level of of obscurity

824
00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:49,440
that they've maintained for the last I

825
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:51,899
guess since 2017 when the Pentagon came

826
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,220
out with all the things that that

827
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,039
happened in the New York Times report so

828
00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:57,600
um they're still trying to fill that

829
00:33:03,470 --> 00:33:00,779
hole that uh Blumenthal and and and uh

830
00:33:06,649 --> 00:33:03,480
Leslie Kane and Helena Cooper opened up

831
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:06,659
way back in 2017. they wish that didn't

832
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,080
happen but it did and uh if they're just

833
00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:11,760
they're just they're skating they're on

834
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,320
they're on thin ice to to provide

835
00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:15,360
something substantial

836
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:17,399
um and I think the the big question is

837
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,799
will they or will they not allude to

838
00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:21,539
what that other faction that other

839
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,820
Factor might be as to where these things

840
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,919
are coming from because they can't they

841
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:28,320
cannot in all honesty indicate that

842
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:30,179
these things with the propulsion system

843
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:31,980
that they're demonstrating in every

844
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:34,260
single credible video credible video you

845
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:36,120
got to look at that too especially from

846
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:38,700
the Navy uh the Navy Pilots all of those

847
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:40,740
things are indicating that these things

848
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:44,460
and use flight characteristics uh

849
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:47,220
employing energy sources that have never

850
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:49,500
been replicated or cannot be replicated

851
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:51,000
here on the planet and they've got to

852
00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:52,679
explain that too and that's the other

853
00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:55,559
big question Vinnie if in fact the

854
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:58,019
United States intelligence agency comes

855
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,820
out with any kind of statement talking

856
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:02,159
about these propulsion systems either

857
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,620
anti-gravidic or whatever that might be

858
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:06,480
whatever that Source might be Zero Point

859
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,540
Energy or who knows what it is if they

860
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:11,460
make a statement about the energy source

861
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,280
being first of all Arcane to a point

862
00:34:20,089 --> 00:34:17,159
where we have no idea what its source is

863
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,099
and B that if we were to begin

864
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:22,560
experimenting or at least

865
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:25,619
um you start to look at these energy

866
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:28,859
sources that it would in fact create

867
00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:31,379
another big hole in the oil Industries

868
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,780
the profits okay and they don't want to

869
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:36,000
do that either that so the energy issues

870
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,260
as far as I'm concerned that's the

871
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:39,899
critical mass of this whole thing uh the

872
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:41,339
second critical mass the first critical

873
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:43,619
mass is the off-world origins and the

874
00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:45,659
second critical mass is the energy issue

875
00:34:49,490 --> 00:34:48,659
and either one of those two comes out uh

876
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,500
the United States government

877
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:51,599
intelligencies have a have a lot of

878
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:53,639
explaining to do because this energy

879
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:56,460
source could be the factor that might be

880
00:35:00,609 --> 00:34:58,619
alluded to in this report especially

881
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:00,619
with some of the pilots have seen

882
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,260
50 feet over the over the ocean to 85

883
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:06,960
000 feet less than a second sure yeah no

884
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:09,240
absolutely it's a pretty big slingshot

885
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:10,619
yeah and I think it's always good to

886
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:12,420
temper expectations with these reports

887
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:14,099
as well because you know it's it's it's

888
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:17,220
too easy to get over excited and you

889
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:18,540
know over the last few years we've seen

890
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:21,060
the UAP task force transform into aoi

891
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,880
MSG and transferring into

892
00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:25,500
um the old domain anomaly resolution

893
00:35:29,630 --> 00:35:27,660
office and these they can't have enough

894
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:29,640
time to collect information across

895
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:31,740
multiple agencies and actually work with

896
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:33,780
it and I think the focus at the moment

897
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:36,060
should be more on the National Defense

898
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:37,500
authorization act the intelligence

899
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,200
authorization act for fiscal year 23

900
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:42,780
when they are asking for information

901
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,079
dating back to 1947 we can finally start

902
00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:49,200
digging whether the data is so maybe

903
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,599
next year

904
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,800
that's the whole you raise a good point

905
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,480
because it's like you know you mentioned

906
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:57,119
all the agencies that that are becoming

907
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:58,680
involved in this or they will be coming

908
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:02,160
it's like a shell game and it's uh you

909
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,660
know we're all sort of watching what's

910
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:05,339
coming Network there's this over here

911
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:06,900
and then there's just here and it's I

912
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,380
think it's all part of um sort of a back

913
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:13,200
room activity by the people who really

914
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,720
know what's going on in Santa Cruz okay

915
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:17,280
let's just throw them this bone this

916
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,079
time and let them chew on that for a

917
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:20,640
couple of months and then wait for their

918
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:22,200
The Fallout to happen and we'll throw

919
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:24,839
another bone this time and uh you know

920
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:28,079
it seems like it's a almost a procedural

921
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:29,820
kind of thing that they're they're doing

922
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,040
these people are pretty smart you know

923
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,320
they they know how to keep a secret and

924
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,000
they not only know how to keep a secret

925
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,680
they know how to manage it they know how

926
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,320
to orchestrate it so that not too much

927
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:43,200
is given but eventually uh and I'm

928
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:45,300
saying this for so long eventually

929
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:46,920
they've got to come clean and if you

930
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:48,900
look at how things have evolved since

931
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:52,619
2017 when the Pentagon did all that

932
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:54,300
releasing in the United States Navy did

933
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:58,020
uh the the stuff that happened from 2017

934
00:37:03,470 --> 00:37:00,540
on to today it's more dense than

935
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:03,480
anything that happened uh the previous

936
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,359
60 years so that to me the density of

937
00:37:10,569 --> 00:37:08,520
the information and the activity and the

938
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:10,579
quality of the information is so good

939
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:13,320
that I think that we're at a point now

940
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,440
where the string is almost run out and I

941
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:19,020
I feel that they're eventually going to

942
00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:21,180
be reach a point if any where they just

943
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:22,619
don't have any other place to go and say

944
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:25,859
okay sorry yeah we've lied to you for

945
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:28,380
the best anyway here you go I I don't

946
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:30,599
see it you know how much longer can it

947
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:32,220
go on how much longer can they

948
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:34,680
completely ignore the fact that that

949
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,839
they a don't know what these things are

950
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:38,880
or B that they do in fact know right

951
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,380
what they are and maybe not where

952
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,300
they're from but they're not from here

953
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:44,220
that's the key question if we yeah if we

954
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,780
nail down that if we nail down that

955
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:47,760
question that they're not from here then

956
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,460
it's it's an open ball game yeah and I

957
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,599
mean I've heard recently that there's

958
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:53,520
internal battles within the Pentagon

959
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,320
itself between them members of the

960
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:58,079
intelligence community so it's just it

961
00:38:01,310 --> 00:37:59,460
seems like there's a mess there's people

962
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,320
pushing back and then this week we saw

963
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:02,880
the New York Times article from Julian

964
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:05,099
Barnes yeah where you know with

965
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:07,140
statements from Susan Goff and a few

966
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:09,540
other Anonymous sources now I don't have

967
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:10,980
a problem with Anonymous sources but

968
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:13,020
when you you've got to be very careful

969
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:14,700
and if Susan goff's leading the charge

970
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:16,980
in this article with with the the kind

971
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:18,300
of history that she has with the

972
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:20,400
statement she makes it just seems like

973
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,200
the timing is convenient when we're on

974
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,000
the kind of cusp of a report so what are

975
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:26,480
your thoughts on that uh in terms of

976
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,460
well every time we are about to receive

977
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,720
something or feel like something's

978
00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:32,760
coming we get a bit of pushback from the

979
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:34,859
Pentagon through usually through Susan

980
00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:38,400
Goff so well the thing about Susan Garth

981
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:40,380
is she's put her foot in the mouth in

982
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,020
her mouth several times okay first of

983
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,079
all by saying that Luis Elizondo had no

984
00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:49,079
no position at the uh

985
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,040
at the the the Pentagon atip program

986
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,320
which is a ball-faced lie yeah and every

987
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,320
and everybody knows it so when um when

988
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:00,000
Luis Elizondo

989
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:03,660
um uh asked Daniel Sheehan uh the

990
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:05,640
Watergate layer lawyer Daniel Sheehan

991
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:06,540
I'm sure you're familiar with Daniel

992
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,960
absolutely to advocate for him uh they

993
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:11,520
pressed the office of the Inspector

994
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:14,099
General uh I met with them for several

995
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:15,960
hours and saying listen uh this lady

996
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,359
Susan goth is uttering absolute false

997
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:20,640
statement statement so you better get on

998
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:23,400
to this this lady and tell her to uh to

999
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:25,320
get to get things right or we're gonna

1000
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,260
we're gonna file a formal complaint and

1001
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:30,480
then uh shortly after that uh the

1002
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:34,560
director of the of the agency uh that um

1003
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:36,180
Susan Goff works for I forget the

1004
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,320
fellow's name

1005
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:40,380
SCH something in any case uh he he came

1006
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,700
out and said that you know Luis

1007
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:42,960
Alexander was in fact part of the

1008
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:45,060
program which left a whole lot of egg on

1009
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:48,359
Susan and goth's face so as a result of

1010
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:50,339
that anything that Susan Goff says at

1011
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:52,140
this particular point in time is is

1012
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,180
suspect is full of holes as far as I'm

1013
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,700
concerned and a lot of other people so

1014
00:40:02,089 --> 00:39:58,800
um you know it's it's one thing to come

1015
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:02,099
out and try to justify what might be

1016
00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:03,900
coming out and then something's totally

1017
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:07,079
different comes out which is um I kind

1018
00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:09,540
of it's a game they play you they raise

1019
00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:11,640
your expectations or they they point you

1020
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:14,040
in a certain way they say well this is

1021
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,420
what you might want to and then bang

1022
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:17,280
something else happens

1023
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,380
and that's that seems to be the pattern

1024
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,420
and then once the something else happens

1025
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,760
then all the people start uh you know

1026
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,280
denying or enhancing what is being said

1027
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:28,560
and it's it seems like that that shell

1028
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:31,320
game at that level is going on all the

1029
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,420
time because I had a long conversation

1030
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:35,520
with um Stephen Greer many many years

1031
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,020
ago

1032
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,720
and he indicated to me I have to call

1033
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,180
Hellyer who who we were speaking with at

1034
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,579
the time that there were factions within

1035
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:46,560
this I'm talking now back

1036
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:49,740
um in the early 2000s when we spoke with

1037
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:52,260
with Paul and and with Stephen Greer he

1038
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:54,180
was in Toronto at the time and he said

1039
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:56,760
he said to both of us he said that

1040
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,180
um within the Pentagon uh he his sources

1041
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:01,920
were that there are factions within the

1042
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,200
Pentagon that actually want this

1043
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,540
information or part of it or some of it

1044
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:09,119
or or the entirety of it there are

1045
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:11,160
forces within that want this information

1046
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:13,079
out and then there are factions within

1047
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,060
the Pentagon that still want to keep

1048
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:17,579
their finger on the secrecy so and he

1049
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:19,320
described the two factors that the the

1050
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,420
the factions that wanted secrecy whether

1051
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:24,000
it was the old guard yeah and the the

1052
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,800
factions that wanted to kind of open the

1053
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:27,480
doors a little bit where the newer

1054
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:28,740
people were coming in and taking

1055
00:41:32,089 --> 00:41:30,540
positions from some of the the old guard

1056
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:32,099
that were retiring so you had these

1057
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,720
these competing factions within the

1058
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,240
Pentagon and perhaps that was that's

1059
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:38,700
what was going on the time when when in

1060
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:41,220
2007 when when

1061
00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:43,320
the YouTube program was started through

1062
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:44,900
the Senate funding

1063
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:48,060
that that happened and they ran from

1064
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,420
what 2007 to 2012 when that atip program

1065
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:53,220
was that could have been the result of

1066
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:55,020
these factions and these competing

1067
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:56,940
factions to try and divide with one

1068
00:42:01,550 --> 00:41:59,220
another to find a way to a find out

1069
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,560
about this stuff whatever whatever they

1070
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,839
might have been and find a way to come

1071
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:06,000
clean a little bit on it and I think

1072
00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:07,020
that that's what happened that's what

1073
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:08,700
Ralph Blumenthal Leslie Kane found out

1074
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,160
they found out that these competing

1075
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:13,200
factors were allowing some of the error

1076
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:15,720
to come out of the balloon and in 2017

1077
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,180
it happened and we're seeing the results

1078
00:42:23,770 --> 00:42:20,400
of that right now and I would anticipate

1079
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:23,780
another type of incident like that soon

1080
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:26,880
maybe not this report tomorrow but I

1081
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,260
think something like that is going to

1082
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:29,839
happen again it has to

1083
00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:34,020
the way this has evolved it's not just a

1084
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:35,579
closed door every single time that

1085
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,900
there's always a little crack that's

1086
00:42:41,530 --> 00:42:38,880
open and I think that's what we can

1087
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,540
expect in the near future and you know

1088
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:43,920
yeah I agree I mean I'm cautiously

1089
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:46,740
optimistic I I I I struggle being

1090
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,300
pessimistic about this subject in any

1091
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:50,160
way because I feel like it would hold me

1092
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:52,380
back in some way but I've got patience

1093
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:55,920
so I can play that way in game so we

1094
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,000
will see

1095
00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:59,220
um this is a big thing Vinnie with that

1096
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:01,500
hope with the patience scheme is

1097
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:03,180
and I feel exactly the same way as you

1098
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:05,579
do uh you know

1099
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:08,460
having started this in 75 1975 and

1100
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,980
that's a it's a long time ago

1101
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:12,599
um and I've I've watched this thing

1102
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:15,480
evolve to a point where you know we're

1103
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:19,740
where we're at right now and uh with the

1104
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:22,859
implications of all of this stuff

1105
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:25,260
um that that is going to hit the Human

1106
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,780
family in a certain way eventually the

1107
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:29,520
Human family is going to find out

1108
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,800
eventually that we're not alone in the

1109
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:34,020
cosmos okay the larger Community I'm

1110
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,819
talking about there are people within

1111
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,380
the human family who know that for a

1112
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:39,900
fact but then the larger Community

1113
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:42,240
um you know globally the Human family is

1114
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:44,099
going to realize that um

1115
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,500
we're not alone in the universe we were

1116
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,480
part of a universe is teeming with life

1117
00:43:54,250 --> 00:43:51,180
and once that um

1118
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:54,260
that realization comes out either

1119
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,700
spontaneously through some other

1120
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:58,560
mechanism which we can talk about later

1121
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,599
if you want or if the United States

1122
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,220
government is sort of Kingpin with

1123
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:04,319
respect to this whole issue

1124
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:05,640
um which I can talk about in a minute

1125
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:08,760
too uh if they come clean on it and say

1126
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:10,020
okay you know what

1127
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:11,880
um you know how are we going to frame

1128
00:44:16,270 --> 00:44:13,560
this how are we going to tell everybody

1129
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,280
that this is in fact

1130
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:19,200
off-world information how are we going

1131
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:20,579
to frame that issue what are we going to

1132
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:22,500
do to kind of put that in a bit of a box

1133
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:25,020
that that that's not too big a pill to

1134
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,780
swallow but it just might be that people

1135
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,400
say well no we just can't believe that

1136
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,680
okay so how will they frame the issue

1137
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:34,079
that it's that that that we're not alone

1138
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,359
in the universe and still keep things

1139
00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:39,359
under wraps what will the freezer what

1140
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,339
will the language be that will

1141
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:43,920
articulate their position that it's not

1142
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:47,400
of Earth origin and it could be of off

1143
00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:48,780
world how are they going to put that

1144
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:50,220
language together and I think that's

1145
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,020
what they're grappling with

1146
00:44:57,490 --> 00:44:54,420
I mean the one thing I agree completely

1147
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:57,500
it's got to be uh formulated in a very

1148
00:45:02,450 --> 00:44:59,940
sensitive way but you know you can't go

1149
00:45:05,809 --> 00:45:02,460
too overboard and you can't go to sort

1150
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:05,819
of uh under under but at the same time

1151
00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:08,339
you play around for too long you're

1152
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,980
running the risk of another country

1153
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,079
coming out and just snapping it up and

1154
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:15,440
doing it you know leave you in the dust

1155
00:45:20,690 --> 00:45:18,420
well that's that's where um that's where

1156
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:20,700
uh the candidate is right now what that

1157
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,980
is but could be if Larry McGuire and

1158
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:24,660
these other parliamentarians get their

1159
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,760
way they may be able to raise the issue

1160
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:28,079
on the floor of the house that comes in

1161
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:31,560
a different way uh it produce questions

1162
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:34,319
that are literally unanswerable by the

1163
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:36,300
minister of Transport or the minister of

1164
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:39,720
defense and uh and then explain away all

1165
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:42,900
of the 9500 files in our library's

1166
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,540
Canada and have them get to a point for

1167
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:47,640
and put them in a corner and say you

1168
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:48,380
know

1169
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:51,240
where have you been since 1950 you've

1170
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:53,220
got all this stuff you knew about this

1171
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,140
way back then you played the game with

1172
00:45:58,730 --> 00:45:57,119
the United States and now we're at where

1173
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,740
we're at and where we're at right now as

1174
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,680
a result of 2017 disclosures

1175
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,359
um what have you been doing for the past

1176
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:06,000
75 years what have you been doing he's

1177
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:08,700
been hiding information that's clear why

1178
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:10,200
have you been hiding it what's the

1179
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:12,180
reason and get it out in the open so it

1180
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:15,060
becomes a a narrative becomes a level of

1181
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:18,300
discourse that is similar to

1182
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,819
um and I've used this analogy before uh

1183
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:22,859
the the the whole idea of child abuse

1184
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:24,300
okay

1185
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:27,240
um back when I was a principal um in the

1186
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:31,380
in the mid 80s uh in the late 70s the

1187
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,260
whole um issue of of child abuse was

1188
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,240
really kind of kept under under wraps it

1189
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:38,400
was really not it wasn't something was

1190
00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:39,720
in the fourth it wasn't in the news at

1191
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:41,819
all and then all of a sudden the Ontario

1192
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:44,579
government here in Ontario in Canada

1193
00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:48,420
um began uh instruments to find out a

1194
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,579
how often the children being abused and

1195
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,319
what's happening in homes today and how

1196
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,240
come parents and uncles and other family

1197
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:56,160
members are abusing children and as a

1198
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:57,720
result of that they put a program in

1199
00:47:02,030 --> 00:46:59,579
place to allow children to come forward

1200
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:02,040
to disclose and as soon as they did that

1201
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:03,720
uh

1202
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,619
the fit hit the Shan if you know what I

1203
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,319
mean okay I had I had I was at a school

1204
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,680
of 570 children St Matthew's School here

1205
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:15,839
in Toronto and we had one of the

1206
00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:19,500
programs come in basically it was um

1207
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:21,540
um puppetry where they were talking

1208
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,640
about you know puppets and adults and

1209
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:25,500
children and the puppet was touching the

1210
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:28,020
child puppet in a not a right way and

1211
00:47:32,089 --> 00:47:30,540
they made a big deal of it and then they

1212
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,099
talked a little bit about to the uh to

1213
00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:33,839
the students at the primary Junior and

1214
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:36,900
intermediate level and um they they had

1215
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:39,060
two presentations in the school over

1216
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:42,060
over two weeks and

1217
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:45,240
after each presentation we had at least

1218
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:48,119
two dozen disclosures from children wow

1219
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:50,280
and they would never they would never

1220
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:52,980
have said anything to anyone about this

1221
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,319
unless that program had been in the

1222
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:57,119
school and then the social workers

1223
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,560
started to come in and deal and the

1224
00:48:01,730 --> 00:48:00,240
families coming in and saying oh my

1225
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,740
child is telling you this they know

1226
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:03,119
they're lying because Uncle Frank

1227
00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:06,119
doesn't do that anymore and it it it was

1228
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:08,819
just a huge can of worms okay so what

1229
00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:10,920
what happened as a result of that

1230
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:13,079
um is a narrative was developed and and

1231
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:14,940
then Not only was a narrative developed

1232
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:16,980
and through the result of this

1233
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:19,500
disclosure legislation came into place

1234
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:21,180
where

1235
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,460
um uh teachers and parents and other

1236
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:26,720
other adults had the legal

1237
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:29,400
demand put upon them that if they had

1238
00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:31,980
knowledge about these kinds of of abuses

1239
00:48:39,530 --> 00:48:34,500
they had to report it under pain of law

1240
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:39,540
okay so it became a Discord a completely

1241
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,780
common open way of saying yes children

1242
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,400
being physically abused and sexually

1243
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:47,040
abused let's talk about it now it's the

1244
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:49,619
same thing with this as hard-hitting as

1245
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:51,780
as that was back in the in the in the

1246
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:53,700
early 80s here in Canada and throughout

1247
00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:56,220
throughout many other countries the same

1248
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,540
thing is going to happen with this it

1249
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,099
will become part of the general

1250
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,960
narrative within Society you're going to

1251
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,160
hear about on the news all the time

1252
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:03,599
you're going to see in the newspapers

1253
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,099
all the time you're going to hear it in

1254
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:06,960
restaurants all the time and you'll hear

1255
00:49:11,450 --> 00:49:09,540
it in bars all the time it'll just be a

1256
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:11,460
complete narrative and discourse about

1257
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:15,000
oh my goodness you know um I'm hearing

1258
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:16,500
that this stuff is not from here I

1259
00:49:19,849 --> 00:49:18,540
wonder what that means so people are

1260
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,859
going to need a lot of guidance and a

1261
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:21,359
lot of help to understand what's really

1262
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:23,099
going on and I think it's one of the

1263
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:25,020
things that that we're trying to put

1264
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:26,400
into place is helping people understand

1265
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,920
what's going on not just the the fact

1266
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,839
that it isn't is in fact going on what

1267
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:32,400
the implications are for the society

1268
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:34,140
that we live in and how all the society

1269
00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:35,339
is going to change as a result of

1270
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:37,319
knowing for a fact that we're not alone

1271
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,300
in the universe that's a that's a huge

1272
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:41,280
deal and has nothing to do with lights

1273
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:43,619
in the sky too hear me or counting UFOs

1274
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:45,180
there's nothing to do with that it's all

1275
00:49:49,849 --> 00:49:47,819
the sociological phenomenon that we're

1276
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:49,859
gonna have to deal with uh you know you

1277
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:51,300
think you know World War One World War

1278
00:49:55,309 --> 00:49:53,160
II are a big deal for sure this is going

1279
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,319
to be 10 times as big 100 times as big

1280
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:57,599
so it's uh it's going to be a big

1281
00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:58,920
question and that's why I'm saying that

1282
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:02,520
that uh the the reason that they're that

1283
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,740
the United States intelligence agencies

1284
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:06,960
are are ragging the puck in the way they

1285
00:50:10,809 --> 00:50:09,060
are they're afraid of that they're

1286
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:10,819
afraid of having

1287
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:13,260
this whole can of worms open to a

1288
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,260
society that may not be completely uh

1289
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,599
ready for it and I've always kind of

1290
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:21,359
maintained too a partial part of this

1291
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:23,099
narrative is and to be really honest

1292
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,020
with you if any maybe we shouldn't know

1293
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:27,839
maybe the government or the governments

1294
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:29,880
know something that if they were to

1295
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:33,180
disclose it that it's just too dast

1296
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,160
related to find out maybe these these

1297
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:38,400
beings or some of them are are ready to

1298
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:39,780
have us for dinner I mean I don't think

1299
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,359
that's the case but that whole threat

1300
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:44,160
scenario that the United States seemed

1301
00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:46,140
to be leaning towards with respect to

1302
00:50:49,849 --> 00:50:48,540
National Security you know uh we can't

1303
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,859
we can't we don't have control of our

1304
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,420
own Skies my goodness these things are

1305
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:53,760
doing things that that outpace our most

1306
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:55,859
sophisticated uh weapons and and

1307
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:58,920
aircraft uh we had no control of these

1308
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,839
incursions the Maelstrom Air Force Base

1309
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:02,520
you know shutting down nuclear weapons

1310
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:04,680
is a great indication so if the United

1311
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,420
States can has to admit that doesn't

1312
00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:09,119
have control over its own Skies think of

1313
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,920
the amount of insecurity that that's

1314
00:51:14,089 --> 00:51:12,480
going to Forest on to the public

1315
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:14,099
especially with the United States being

1316
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,500
the position right now and the turmoil

1317
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:18,480
is going on so there's all these things

1318
00:51:23,329 --> 00:51:20,700
linked together that really mitigates

1319
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,339
mitigates against some sort of open

1320
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,220
disclosure and a common narrative so

1321
00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:29,040
it's uh you know it's shaking a a can of

1322
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,319
soda poppers and when should I take my

1323
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:34,079
finger off it you know yeah yeah I mean

1324
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,460
the one thing I look at it the way or

1325
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:37,500
the way I look at it is good or bad

1326
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:39,900
positive negative I think I have a

1327
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,460
strong belief in the human race people

1328
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:43,280
may say we're destructive and we're war

1329
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:45,180
machines and that but I look at the

1330
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,300
everyday person and I think we're a

1331
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:50,520
resilient bunch of people and I think no

1332
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:52,200
matter what it what happens we deserve

1333
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:53,700
to know the truth and we should be able

1334
00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:55,140
to make our own minds up how we move

1335
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:57,180
forward exactly learning about that

1336
00:52:00,530 --> 00:51:58,680
truth yeah and I think that kind of

1337
00:52:02,569 --> 00:52:00,540
segues into the image that you sent me

1338
00:52:04,849 --> 00:52:02,579
because it's kind of like a big picture

1339
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,859
so I'll bring that up and then you can

1340
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:06,720
kind of break it down for us because

1341
00:52:09,049 --> 00:52:07,859
that's really cool it's a good thing

1342
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,059
we're into that because there's so many

1343
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:11,280
things happening our words yeah so let's

1344
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:13,740
see can I zoom any I don't wanna there

1345
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,720
we go yeah

1346
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:18,720
it's it's um it's I don't know if your

1347
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:20,940
your viewers can see it uh or enlarge it

1348
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,680
on their own screens I'm not sure I can

1349
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:24,000
go down the middle if you want to start

1350
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:26,460
yeah yeah that's a good view right there

1351
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:28,680
then yeah yeah it's it's called the

1352
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,180
quantum presence the quantum presence

1353
00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:31,920
basically and I use this in my in my

1354
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,740
lectures as uh as a beginning as a

1355
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:36,960
starting point to see

1356
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:39,480
um uh to have to have the uh the my

1357
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:41,880
audiences see the context in which we're

1358
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:43,319
operating in we're not it's just not

1359
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,020
just a one issue situation and that

1360
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,960
Quantum presence the the the the total

1361
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,599
sum of of of all reality let's put it

1362
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,520
that way that's the total sum of our is

1363
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,200
condensed into a critical mass of

1364
00:53:00,650 --> 00:52:58,559
everything that's going on at once all

1365
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:00,660
things that are going on

1366
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:03,300
um in the past and the present and in

1367
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,640
the future are going on right now okay

1368
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:08,160
and um or the ones in the future are

1369
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:09,599
going to happen but that Quantum

1370
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:11,640
presence represents everything that that

1371
00:53:18,650 --> 00:53:15,359
is happening now obviously as human

1372
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,660
beings we do not have the capacity to

1373
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:20,640
express

1374
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,680
an open knowledge or an accurate

1375
00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:24,000
knowledge about everything that's going

1376
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:26,339
on right now at the second we can't we

1377
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:29,160
do not have the the linguistic or

1378
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,619
intellectual capacity to describe every

1379
00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:33,599
situation that's going on all at once

1380
00:53:38,210 --> 00:53:35,819
right now we can't it's just there's

1381
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:38,220
just too much happening we know it's

1382
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,780
happening we know all these events are

1383
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,280
going on right now

1384
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:43,440
but we can't describe them all at once

1385
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:47,280
so the individual has to segment those

1386
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:50,339
uh those those pieces of information and

1387
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:53,640
this diagram here shows you the a the

1388
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:55,380
kinds of things that are going on in

1389
00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:57,420
each one of those um if you just if you

1390
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,619
pull out just a little bit you know

1391
00:54:03,170 --> 00:54:00,720
you've got oh sorry yeah you've got the

1392
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,180
Earth and all of the implications there

1393
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,800
and then you've got Society you've got

1394
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:06,660
health and you've got all the you know

1395
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,300
governance uh the solar system and if

1396
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,280
you if you go back into one of those

1397
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,440
anyone any one of the segments you can

1398
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:15,599
see that let's say for example

1399
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,220
um the or the Earth and this this

1400
00:54:22,849 --> 00:54:20,640
diagram is well over uh 20 years old uh

1401
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,859
Super Storms which alludes to you know

1402
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:24,480
the kind of climate change animal

1403
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,319
extinctions we're losing 123 species of

1404
00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:31,380
birds every day okay global climate

1405
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,540
change and that was this was 20 years

1406
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:36,240
ago before that someone came up with and

1407
00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:38,520
I don't know where uh who drew this

1408
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,160
thing up but um the pole shift the idea

1409
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:44,160
of water shortages and the ecological

1410
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:46,800
degradation in just that one component

1411
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,140
and if you say to yourself well you know

1412
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,599
what let's just kind of focus in on one

1413
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:53,280
of those things animal Extinction as

1414
00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:55,319
soon as you do you flip into another

1415
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:58,440
segment of that of that diagram of a

1416
00:55:01,849 --> 00:55:00,420
genetically modified foods or the

1417
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,859
problem and the pandemic that word

1418
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,660
pandemic in the health section ever

1419
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:05,220
heard of that kind well we didn't we

1420
00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:07,140
knew what pandemic was but all of a

1421
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:09,900
sudden the entire planet was engulfed in

1422
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:12,599
a pandemic for for you know two two and

1423
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:14,099
a half years or whatever that amount of

1424
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:17,460
time was uh that it engulfed everyone so

1425
00:55:23,390 --> 00:55:21,180
in in in a way everyone was involved in

1426
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:23,400
that issue too and then if you look down

1427
00:55:28,849 --> 00:55:26,280
in vaccinations and and malnutrition and

1428
00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:28,859
then uh you know all of these things we

1429
00:55:34,730 --> 00:55:32,040
as a human family have to deal with now

1430
00:55:36,410 --> 00:55:34,740
obviously not everybody has a the

1431
00:55:38,510 --> 00:55:36,420
capacity or the interest to deal with

1432
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:38,520
all of these things but irrespective of

1433
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:41,640
that ability it's all going on right now

1434
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:43,380
and it's affecting every single thing we

1435
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:46,140
do and say every second of the day and

1436
00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:48,180
then if you go I believe where it's the

1437
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:50,520
um the bottom part of it or that I think

1438
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:52,859
it talks about the is the UFO issue

1439
00:55:58,210 --> 00:55:55,319
there someplace uh is military has got

1440
00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:01,069
in that section so that's where I focus

1441
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:02,819
in in the context of all those other

1442
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:06,300
quadrants that are there I try to uh

1443
00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:08,040
talk about space-based weapons ET

1444
00:56:11,809 --> 00:56:09,540
technology

1445
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,819
um underground bases Majestic 12 the

1446
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:13,920
Black Operations and all those and then

1447
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:16,859
you know you talk about you know the UFO

1448
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:20,160
question and it it exists in the context

1449
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,800
of that whole Quantum presence and it is

1450
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:25,680
it is part of the whole fabric of the

1451
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:28,700
Human family and unfortunately

1452
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:30,780
there are so many

1453
00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:33,059
um the point that I try to make as a

1454
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:34,740
result of this that there are so many

1455
00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:38,160
factions the oil industry for example

1456
00:56:42,349 --> 00:56:40,980
um and the social media industry for

1457
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,359
example

1458
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:45,119
their attempts to control any one of

1459
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:48,059
those aspects is so powerful their

1460
00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:50,460
attempts to control DNA material in

1461
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,220
Foods their attempts to control or at

1462
00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:55,440
least dismiss or at least affect the

1463
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,480
weather that we're going through uh

1464
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:59,040
right now the climate change that we're

1465
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,540
going through all of these things

1466
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,000
influence not just the individual but

1467
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,559
the in they influence all of the other

1468
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:06,960
aspects in every single quadrant so the

1469
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:08,579
control of the banking system has a lot

1470
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:10,500
to do with the Mars cover-up for example

1471
00:57:15,130 --> 00:57:13,619
you know you have to figure our moon

1472
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:15,140
bases

1473
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:17,099
where would they get information about

1474
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:20,040
moon bases I mean this is like years ago

1475
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:21,960
there are people there who have done

1476
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:24,180
their homework and saying listen uh this

1477
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,559
stuff is going on and we've got to

1478
00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:27,599
recognize what is going on and as soon

1479
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:29,339
as you focus in on any one of those

1480
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:32,220
things it's almost it's human nature

1481
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:34,680
almost forget about or not deal with or

1482
00:57:38,809 --> 00:57:36,599
not be able to deal with all the rest of

1483
00:57:40,370 --> 00:57:38,819
the stuff that's going on and so it's a

1484
00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:40,380
it's a huge juggling act that the Human

1485
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:42,119
family really has to come to grips with

1486
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:43,980
and that's why I use this particular

1487
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:46,020
graphic in my presentations to really

1488
00:57:50,170 --> 00:57:48,540
put the UFO issue within a context that

1489
00:57:52,849 --> 00:57:50,180
we're dealing with this

1490
00:57:55,309 --> 00:57:52,859
a huge amount of information and all

1491
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,319
these other issues and then then I lead

1492
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:57,680
into the whole idea of entanglement

1493
00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:01,440
where every single particle of matter

1494
00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:04,619
in the in the cosmos is connected right

1495
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:07,500
and that that whole concept that some

1496
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,960
people have heard of that word before uh

1497
00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:11,760
and know kind of what it means but I

1498
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:13,980
don't know if they really understand the

1499
00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:16,140
the implications of it it brings in the

1500
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:18,839
whole idea of of Consciousness where

1501
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:20,839
does Consciousness come from

1502
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:23,520
how did it originate you know we you

1503
00:58:27,230 --> 00:58:24,900
take a look at how the universe was

1504
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:27,240
formed out of you know bits of iron and

1505
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:27,980
and

1506
00:58:33,950 --> 00:58:31,980
came together at a certain point in time

1507
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:33,960
to form the planets and and then

1508
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:35,700
eventually you get these you know small

1509
00:58:40,190 --> 00:58:37,380
little bits of things that you called

1510
00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:40,200
life and eventually that where did the

1511
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,299
idea of Consciousness come from did it

1512
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,160
come from the the iron in the middle of

1513
00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:45,920
the of the Big Bang

1514
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:48,440
it's impossible to get your mind around

1515
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:51,960
where we can

1516
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:53,579
um confidently say that we are

1517
00:58:58,490 --> 00:58:56,040
self-aware of ourselves where did that

1518
00:59:00,829 --> 00:58:58,500
come from and not only did where did it

1519
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:00,839
come from but what are their species in

1520
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:03,720
the cosmos share that that capacity and

1521
00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:04,980
that's where these whole all of this

1522
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,380
stuff converges where we're not the only

1523
00:59:11,450 --> 00:59:09,599
ones going through this metamorphosis of

1524
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:11,460
self-understanding and conscious

1525
00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:14,040
awareness there are other species who've

1526
00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:15,480
been around for millions and more years

1527
00:59:20,329 --> 00:59:17,819
than we have who've uh who've gone

1528
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:20,339
through a lot more uh of

1529
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:21,480
um I guess getting through their own

1530
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:22,920
Extinction behaviors there's another

1531
00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:26,460
thing that this leads to is uh is why

1532
00:59:31,089 --> 00:59:29,400
have these beings who apparently can

1533
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:31,099
travel out of beyond the speed of light

1534
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:33,720
okay and get here go wherever they want

1535
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:36,359
in the cosmos they've been around for

1536
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,740
millions of years and have they gone

1537
00:59:41,930 --> 00:59:39,900
through the same kind of life changes

1538
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:41,940
and Quantum presence that that you saw

1539
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:43,980
on that on that chart have they been

1540
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,440
through the same kind of things as the

1541
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,900
military attempted to you know inflict

1542
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:50,400
itself on other parts of their Planet

1543
00:59:54,170 --> 00:59:52,380
how did they get through that did they

1544
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:54,180
use nuclear weapons or didn't they did

1545
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,799
they say no to nuclear weapons or did

1546
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:57,599
they say yes maybe there's another form

1547
01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:59,579
of of Extinction that they got that they

1548
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:01,619
but they got through it to evolve into

1549
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,680
species is not only able to travel with

1550
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:06,240
technology at or beyond the speed of

1551
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:08,220
light or interdimensionally but they

1552
01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:10,020
eliminated their own Extinction they

1553
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:13,260
they did not go extinct and as as many

1554
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,760
of your listeners are quite aware right

1555
01:00:18,049 --> 01:00:16,440
now we're on the cusp of that right now

1556
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:18,059
and that's why this issue is so

1557
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:19,799
important these Extinction behaviors

1558
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:21,420
that we're going through many of them

1559
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:23,160
within that whole Matrix that I just

1560
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,140
showed you they are in fact Extinction

1561
01:00:30,049 --> 01:00:27,839
behaviors cyclical War economy that's

1562
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:30,059
what we're made of okay that's what

1563
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,980
that's what the powers that be want us

1564
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,079
to think that we're made of we we create

1565
01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:36,720
borders we inflict ourselves on on other

1566
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:38,339
countries when will that kind of

1567
01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:41,760
Extinction Behavior end uh so that whole

1568
01:00:45,410 --> 01:00:43,380
diagram brings it all together and

1569
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:45,420
coalesces the information that that

1570
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:48,900
leads directly to the idea that once

1571
01:00:52,609 --> 01:00:50,880
again we're not alone in the cosmos yeah

1572
01:00:54,289 --> 01:00:52,619
I think it's a good way of showing that

1573
01:00:56,450 --> 01:00:54,299
there are just so many rabbit holes that

1574
01:00:58,849 --> 01:00:56,460
you can get lost down and each one you

1575
01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:58,859
go down then branches off into many many

1576
01:01:02,510 --> 01:01:01,319
more yeah you know it just shows the

1577
01:01:04,190 --> 01:01:02,520
scale of what we've been dealing with

1578
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:04,200
for so long

1579
01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:06,180
um it's fascinating and that's a really

1580
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:07,859
good way of looking at it um listen

1581
01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:09,540
Victor we've just hit the hour mark but

1582
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:10,740
one thing I definitely want to talk

1583
01:01:14,809 --> 01:01:12,420
about before you go is what's been

1584
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,819
happening recently with Isaac yeah good

1585
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:16,799
I'm glad you brought that up but I spoke

1586
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:19,920
with an email from um Gary hasseltine

1587
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,000
this afternoon

1588
01:01:25,789 --> 01:01:24,000
um the Gary who's the vice president of

1589
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:25,799
icer an International Coalition for

1590
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,260
extraterrestrial research um you can go

1591
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:30,240
to that Network on the internet just

1592
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:31,980
Google that

1593
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,220
um he and uh I think there's seven or

1594
01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:37,680
eight individuals he the vice president

1595
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:41,240
and um the president of the organization

1596
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:44,220
uh and I think six other people were at

1597
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:48,299
the uh San Marino conference on UFOs and

1598
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:51,240
now as far as background is concerned uh

1599
01:01:55,789 --> 01:01:53,339
the icer represents

1600
01:01:58,430 --> 01:01:55,799
or has representatives from 30 different

1601
01:02:00,289 --> 01:01:58,440
countries uh who who are um they're all

1602
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:00,299
members and there's an executive there's

1603
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:02,880
a president vice president

1604
01:02:07,490 --> 01:02:04,500
excuse me someone who's in charge of

1605
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:07,500
finances and and all the legalities so

1606
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:10,640
we are come together as a an NGO

1607
01:02:16,490 --> 01:02:13,680
non-governmental agency organization and

1608
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:16,500
we are attempting to gain sponsorship

1609
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,140
through a member uh United United

1610
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,319
Nations State San Marino and San Marino

1611
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,200
a nicer representative are have been

1612
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:27,839
dialogue and we're at a point right now

1613
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:30,480
where icer is standing a very very good

1614
01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:33,119
chance of getting a recommendation to

1615
01:02:38,990 --> 01:02:35,940
the U.N and recognizing us as an entity

1616
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:39,000
to be represented within the U.N and

1617
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:41,040
isil will have a place that either at a

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01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:43,260
committee level or some level within the

1619
01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:45,780
United Nations sponsored by San Marino

1620
01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:48,660
so that we can represent the 30

1621
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,299
countries that we do represent and on

1622
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:53,460
that basis articulate the international

1623
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,940
nature of the uip phenomenon and I sir

1624
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,799
all the members sign an oath indicating

1625
01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:00,960
that these things are real and not only

1626
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:02,700
are they real they're they're not from

1627
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:03,839
here here and there's an

1628
01:03:07,609 --> 01:03:05,940
extraterrestrial presence that we want

1629
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,619
to get this is not just about lights in

1630
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:09,839
the sky so that's what icer is all about

1631
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,780
we want to at some point

1632
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:14,880
um be represented at a committee level

1633
01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:17,160
or wherever we can get our foot in the

1634
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:19,319
door with the United Nations to talk

1635
01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:21,960
about the international nature of the of

1636
01:03:25,490 --> 01:03:23,640
the UAP issue and how it affects the

1637
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:25,500
entire Human family not just one country

1638
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:28,200
so that's that was discussed at San

1639
01:03:32,569 --> 01:03:30,420
Marino in addition to just other

1640
01:03:34,190 --> 01:03:32,579
presentations that were going on so

1641
01:03:36,170 --> 01:03:34,200
that's the the kind of negotiations that

1642
01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:36,180
are going on they're still going on and

1643
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,520
we hope that the senior Executives in

1644
01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:41,099
the San Marino government will take it

1645
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,780
upon themselves to say yes we are ready

1646
01:03:47,809 --> 01:03:45,119
to accept icer as a group and we will

1647
01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:47,819
recommend uh that they have a seat at

1648
01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:50,099
the table in the United Nations in some

1649
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,339
way it's a lofty goal but I think it's

1650
01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:55,440
one that has to happen

1651
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:57,900
um now the flip side of that coin is

1652
01:04:03,289 --> 01:03:59,940
is the domination of this issue by the

1653
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:03,299
United States right okay that that you

1654
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:04,319
know

1655
01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:07,280
there's another show altogether but

1656
01:04:12,829 --> 01:04:10,440
I'm a lot of us are very very concerned

1657
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:12,839
about how the United States and in a way

1658
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,760
rightly so because they've got the

1659
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,799
largest theater of operation with

1660
01:04:21,890 --> 01:04:18,720
respect I don't want to minimize that in

1661
01:04:24,410 --> 01:04:21,900
in any way shape or form but um for for

1662
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:24,420
them to say that this is their issue and

1663
01:04:28,430 --> 01:04:26,220
that's that's maybe that's not the right

1664
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:28,440
articulation but in fact it's the sum

1665
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:30,059
total of what they're saying we are in

1666
01:04:34,490 --> 01:04:32,220
control of this issue and I think that's

1667
01:04:36,109 --> 01:04:34,500
what uh all the news news media are

1668
01:04:37,370 --> 01:04:36,119
trying to say and articulate that's what

1669
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,380
the military is trying to say that's

1670
01:04:41,329 --> 01:04:39,359
what NASA is trying to do right now is

1671
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,339
that they want to be the ones to look at

1672
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,960
this issue which I think is another you

1673
01:04:46,910 --> 01:04:43,920
know red herring but that's another

1674
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:46,920
story altogether what icer wants to do

1675
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,680
is make this an international issue that

1676
01:04:53,089 --> 01:04:51,359
says to the rest of the Human family

1677
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:53,099
we're all in this together it's

1678
01:04:58,490 --> 01:04:55,020
affecting everybody and the implications

1679
01:05:00,289 --> 01:04:58,500
of uh of accepting what's going on with

1680
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:00,299
respect to the UAP issue and the ET

1681
01:05:05,329 --> 01:05:02,940
presence will affect every single human

1682
01:05:07,789 --> 01:05:05,339
being on the on this planet and every

1683
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:07,799
single molecule in the ocean and every

1684
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:09,660
single species of birds and animals and

1685
01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:12,480
plants it will affect everything and

1686
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:14,940
that is not the kind of argument that

1687
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:16,319
the United States military is making

1688
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:18,540
that's a key point to understand all the

1689
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:20,280
only thing the United States is dealing

1690
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,140
with as far as I'm concerned and from

1691
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,720
what I'm hearing is that this is a

1692
01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:26,880
national security issue and they're

1693
01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:28,619
pushing a threat scenario they're coming

1694
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:30,359
here or they could be coming here to

1695
01:05:34,970 --> 01:05:31,559
have this for breakfast for breakfast

1696
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:34,980
and uh that's where they're headed and

1697
01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:36,900
that could be one thing that could come

1698
01:05:42,349 --> 01:05:39,180
out of tomorrow's uh announcement if it

1699
01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:42,359
does happen some allusion to that kind

1700
01:05:46,190 --> 01:05:44,700
of uh you know alluding saying that you

1701
01:05:48,170 --> 01:05:46,200
know this is this might not be a good

1702
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,180
thing for us to talk about and we want

1703
01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:49,920
to dispel that notion and have an open

1704
01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:51,540
dialogue about what the possibilities

1705
01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:53,940
are rather than keeping uh keeping the

1706
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,760
candle Under The Bushel and letting

1707
01:06:00,170 --> 01:05:58,799
Humanity sit and stew about this

1708
01:06:01,309 --> 01:06:00,180
information rather than giving them the

1709
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:01,319
real deal

1710
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:03,240
yeah yeah and you mentioned Gary

1711
01:06:06,289 --> 01:06:04,799
hasselton there actually spoke with Gary

1712
01:06:08,089 --> 01:06:06,299
just before he left to go out to San

1713
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,099
Marino last week or the week before and

1714
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:10,079
you know we know Lou Alexander was due

1715
01:06:13,069 --> 01:06:11,280
to be out there and there was a lot of

1716
01:06:15,289 --> 01:06:13,079
rumors about why he didn't make it and

1717
01:06:17,329 --> 01:06:15,299
yeah there's no need for any uh

1718
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:17,339
conspiracies but it was great to see

1719
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,520
Eric Weinstein yes yes over there you

1720
01:06:24,289 --> 01:06:22,319
know that was a quite a positive step so

1721
01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:24,299
you know I I'll be speaking with Gary

1722
01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:26,220
hopefully in the next few days and

1723
01:06:28,970 --> 01:06:27,720
hopefully he'll be able to keep me up to

1724
01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:28,980
date and maybe even we'll do another

1725
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:31,559
show with some updates from that and and

1726
01:06:34,670 --> 01:06:33,180
like I did at the end of last year I

1727
01:06:37,250 --> 01:06:34,680
hosted a panel discussion with members

1728
01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:37,260
of Isa if I do that again this year uh

1729
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,960
obviously Victor you'll be topless as

1730
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:42,240
well so you know we'll do we'll do

1731
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:43,680
something there but is there anything

1732
01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:45,240
you want to touch upon before we before

1733
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,940
we wrap this up yeah not really

1734
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,160
um I I guess you know if there's

1735
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:52,079
anything about any conversation that I

1736
01:06:58,430 --> 01:06:54,960
have with respect to this Vinnie is

1737
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,440
um is the minutia of this issue you know

1738
01:07:04,130 --> 01:07:00,720
is so so um

1739
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,140
distracting as it put it put it bluntly

1740
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:06,000
it if you can you imagine earlier you

1741
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:07,440
could go down any rabbit hole and you

1742
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:09,180
you'll probably never come out if you

1743
01:07:15,049 --> 01:07:11,579
don't you know look for sustenance

1744
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:15,059
um but what I try to get across and all

1745
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:16,440
the times that I'm that I try to speak

1746
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:18,660
about is is the is the broadest possible

1747
01:07:22,430 --> 01:07:20,160
picture that we can paint about this

1748
01:07:24,289 --> 01:07:22,440
issue okay without you know looking

1749
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:24,299
through any kind of a pinhole about

1750
01:07:29,809 --> 01:07:26,720
anything that's related to this issue

1751
01:07:32,029 --> 01:07:29,819
trying to provide the the largest

1752
01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:32,039
spectrum of information possible without

1753
01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:34,500
confusing people and and trying to

1754
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:36,900
understand that and I think you

1755
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:38,460
mentioned this earlier that we have a

1756
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:39,720
right to know about this information

1757
01:07:45,529 --> 01:07:43,440
this is not something uh that that's

1758
01:07:48,289 --> 01:07:45,539
that can be or should be hidden from us

1759
01:07:51,049 --> 01:07:48,299
this is not uh the United States the

1760
01:07:52,370 --> 01:07:51,059
United States issue okay it is the issue

1761
01:07:54,349 --> 01:07:52,380
for every single human being on the

1762
01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:54,359
planet and we all have a stake on this

1763
01:07:59,569 --> 01:07:57,000
and for anyone to think that well the

1764
01:08:02,029 --> 01:07:59,579
government will tell us what's going on

1765
01:08:04,609 --> 01:08:02,039
um that is is the most misleading part

1766
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,619
of what of what I think we are involved

1767
01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:06,720
in right now even if we're waiting for

1768
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:08,099
tomorrow's information like we're all

1769
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:10,200
waiting for beated breath

1770
01:08:13,849 --> 01:08:11,760
um for the government to tell us what's

1771
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:13,859
going on I think we all know what's

1772
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:15,900
going on intuitively anybody who's

1773
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:18,299
looking we know what's going on we need

1774
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,400
some kind of verification the problem is

1775
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,560
where is that verification coming from

1776
01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:24,719
it is it coming from our own

1777
01:08:29,570 --> 01:08:27,179
Consciousness about what's out there

1778
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,580
okay or is it coming from all the bits

1779
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,719
and segments of information that we're

1780
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:32,880
hearing we just have to kind of focus in

1781
01:08:37,729 --> 01:08:34,440
on where that information is coming in

1782
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,739
coming from and and how complex it is

1783
01:08:41,390 --> 01:08:39,839
and what the implications are to save

1784
01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:41,400
the planet from what's going on right

1785
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:42,839
now because we're not in a very good

1786
01:08:47,169 --> 01:08:45,480
position uh Vinnie you know we we are in

1787
01:08:51,010 --> 01:08:47,179
big big trouble politically

1788
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,020
environmentally socially uh I mean

1789
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,279
it's going to take a lot for us to come

1790
01:08:57,010 --> 01:08:55,679
out and say boy I heard only good news

1791
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,020
today

1792
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,520
that'd be nice wouldn't that be great I

1793
01:09:03,769 --> 01:09:01,199
mean turn on the radio or the TV and say

1794
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:03,779
ah everything is great you know I I

1795
01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:05,819
don't know I mean when will that day I

1796
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:08,339
mean I'm not a crazy idealistic person

1797
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:11,759
but uh I think that that's we all strive

1798
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:13,799
for that kind of understanding of who we

1799
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:16,500
are as beings and just perhaps that's

1800
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:19,500
the message that the extraterrestrials

1801
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:21,239
um are are trying to bring and I know

1802
01:09:24,769 --> 01:09:22,799
John Mack I've talked about him on the

1803
01:09:26,749 --> 01:09:24,779
program before when he was alive he and

1804
01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:26,759
I spoke about that exact issue through

1805
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,179
the the lens of the experiences and and

1806
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:32,400
they're all being told that there is a

1807
01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:34,259
better way that there is a better way to

1808
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:37,319
not only be who we are as a species but

1809
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:38,699
also to treat the planet the way it

1810
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:40,500
should be treated and what might be

1811
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:41,880
going on on other planets that are like

1812
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,520
Earth and how they come through it too

1813
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,839
uh so there's there's just so much

1814
01:09:49,309 --> 01:09:47,520
that's the lens that I that I try to

1815
01:09:51,530 --> 01:09:49,319
bring to this this conversation each

1816
01:09:53,689 --> 01:09:51,540
time I'm uh you know given the

1817
01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:53,699
opportunity that's a great lens to come

1818
01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:56,160
to look through and some really really

1819
01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:58,380
good points raised there Victor I can't

1820
01:10:02,209 --> 01:10:00,600
thank you enough uh for joining me uh

1821
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,219
you know I like I think this is the

1822
01:10:06,650 --> 01:10:04,080
third time you've been on and I'm sure

1823
01:10:08,570 --> 01:10:06,660
you'll be on in the new year I love it

1824
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:08,580
there's more talking points stay in

1825
01:10:11,870 --> 01:10:10,140
touch I know we do talk behind the

1826
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:11,880
scenes every now and again I appreciate

1827
01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:13,260
the work that you're doing with the with

1828
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:16,199
with Zealand uh Communications keep that

1829
01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:18,840
up it's fantastic yeah I think guys for

1830
01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:20,820
everybody watching and listening all of

1831
01:10:24,649 --> 01:10:22,860
Victor's details are in the description

1832
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:24,659
below where you can find his work follow

1833
01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:27,840
him on various platforms for everyone in

1834
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:29,219
the live chat thank you so much I'm

1835
01:10:32,810 --> 01:10:30,960
sorry I didn't get around to asking as

1836
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:32,820
many questions as you may have liked to

1837
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:34,440
us from yourselves but I really do

1838
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,420
appreciate you being here and being

1839
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,400
cordial in the chat

1840
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:40,080
um I'm just happy to be back after a

1841
01:10:43,370 --> 01:10:41,280
little break I'm going to be back

1842
01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:43,380
hopefully tomorrow night with

1843
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:46,620
Christopher sharp to go over this uh

1844
01:10:52,010 --> 01:10:49,800
unclassified Ripple if it comes uh but